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Speaker 1 (00:00)

Ariane, welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10)

Thank you. I am very excited to be here, even more so because we went through all the challenges possible to be here. So it's really a big joy to be here and to see you and talk to you.

Speaker 1 (00:22)

Yes, thank you so much for those who are listening and wondering what we're talking about. The platform I normally use was temporarily not loading. A lamp globe was out and blank, and everything was happening, but we had made it. We are overcoming obstacles and talking because Ariane, you have done so much with your journals and your books, and I'm keen to hear all about it. Let's start, and would you like to tell everybody what exactly you do?

Speaker 2 (00:55)

Yes, I love to. So I teach manifestation through journaling. And journaling is a tool to write yourself to your dreams. And I think we all know the Dear Diary way of journaling. And then we know the way of journaling with the guided prompts. So what are you grateful for? What are three experiences that you want to have within the next years? And then there is a third one, which I teach, which is more analytical, but it helps you recognise where you're standing in your own way and how you can remove everything that's standing in your own way so that you can move forward and meet your dreams and all those heartfelt wishes that you have and what you want to create in your life.

Speaker 1 (01:38)

That is amazing. How did you get started in looking at what's getting in the way and what was getting in your way?

Speaker 2 (01:48)

Well, as so often with life, life happens. I like to think that sometimes we break to break open and to break through. And I've always liked writing. I started journaling when I was five years old. Just believe that, dear diary, today, I brushed my teeth. We journal when we're kids, right? I still have those journals. But then I started journaling with that third method that I just mentioned when my life was falling apart. I lost my relationship.

I actually got divorced during the lockdown. lost my income. I had to start from scratch, and I didn't start journaling to build a business. I started journaling just to pick up the pieces again and to realise how I had been living my life just didn't work anymore. And I needed to get to know myself. I needed to know who I am when I don't have to be anyone or anything, and what is my own version of success, and what is the life that I want to build.

And then I got very deep into personal development. And for the first time I heard of limiting beliefs and inner child and all those, all the terminology that have concepts that I've never heard before. But I realised, okay, that's actually the key. When you look inside, you find your answers, and that helps you create the life that you truly love.

Speaker 1 (03:07)

A lot of people had breakups around COVID and the lockdowns, and in the aftermath. I'm wondering, I'm wondering, let's explore that a little bit for a moment, because how did you feel? Do you think that COVID amplified things and accelerated that experience for you? And I'm wondering, how? What? What happened beyond the journaling?

Speaker 2 (03:42)

Yes, I think the lockdown was a moment when we realised that nothing is as certain as we thought it was, and we stopped taking things for granted. And I think it was this moment of now or never. And that helped me make that decision. I think it just amplified what was what had been broken before. And I was just tolerating a lot of things, and then during that time, I just realised this is not what I want to continue. Like, this is not how I want to live my life. And I didn't have a backup plan. I didn't have a solution. didn't even know how I was going to afford rent on my own, but I just had. Yeah. So, um, I was lucky that prices in Mexico are comparatively lower than in Germany. So, I remember that I texted my parents and I said, I can't stay in that relationship. I don't know how I'm going to afford rent. can take on whatever I can do in that time because everything was locked down. And then my dad said, ‘You know, I can support you with…’ It wasn't even that much. It was like 150 euros for a room. So he said, I can, I can pay that for you. Don't worry about it. I just want you to be happy. So I was very lucky that in that moment, my dad stepped in and said, ‘This is what matters most, and I know that you're going to walk through it, and I'm just going to support you for how long you need. And then a few months later, I could make it on my own, but that really was a breaking point. Like, as I said, I couldn't even afford those $150 because I didn't have any savings. Nobody had counted on the lockdown to come. Like my income just broke away from one day to another, and I was just left with nothing. But I think...

In those moments, I want to think that we're always supported and courage is always supported. And when you are brave enough to take a really, really brave decision, there's always going to happen a tiny miracle that that's helping you. Like in that case, it was my dad who stepped in, but then there may have been other options and solutions. I don't think that we're ever really lost. I think when we are brave, we always get rewarded for it.

Speaker 1 (06:00)

Okay, what other brave steps did you take and how did that get reflected in the journaling?

Speaker 2 (06:10)

So I started my journaling business because I had written a book about it, the Healing Journals, and it didn't make a lot of sense at that time. Again, like I was just writing for myself. I was in another project, my schedule was packed, but I had this feeling inside of like, just write. I didn't know that it was going to end up as a book, but I just knew, okay, just keep writing, just keep writing. So then I kept writing, and then it ended up as a book. I published the book, and then I got requests if I could offer coaching on that. But I think that it doesn't make sense to write a book right now. That was that felt very brave. And in the moment, it didn't feel like time; it didn't feel right. It felt right. But it didn't feel, like, very logical to put so much time and effort into something that like just writing. I didn't even know it was going to be a book. But again, you have this inner knowing, and you have the strong hold towards something, and I do believe that we just have to listen, and it's going to make sense at some point.

Speaker 1 (07:16)

So do the thing that might not seem completely logical because it could make sense in a weird way.

Speaker 2 (07:26)

Yes, well, I think there's a difference between reckless and risk friendly. I wouldn't recommend to go the reckless way, but I think it's okay to be risk friendly and to not always know how it's going to turn out. But you have to take a step and then take the next one and then take the next one. And that's how you pave your path.

Speaker 1 (07:47)

Definitely. Honestly, you're inspiring me as you say this, and I know other people need to hear this as well. It's time now and I think it's possibly easier to take those risks now because although it was quite a time for change during the lockdowns at this point in this decade, we have a little bit more freedom so there's even less of an excuse to take the risks.

Speaker 2 (08:17)

Yes, I don't know about you, but I feel that 2025 has been everything that you had planned. It just didn't work. I've talked to so many. My goodness. Yes. I talked to so many creative, highly sensitive, intuitive people, and everyone is telling me the same. 2025 has been so challenging. There has always been something unexpected.

Not a single plan has worked out, and we're here trying to make it to the next month.

Speaker 1 (08:47)

This year has been so weird because last year for me was a total mess with basically things that shouldn't have happened. But then this year, I started this year saying, okay, going to clean everything up, sort everything out. And I have a plan because I am an almighty human with a plan. And then what does 2025 do? Did everybody else just realise, okay, our plans are going in the rubbish bin?

Speaker 2 (09:18)

Yes. We're in the plans. totally. And I think we're trained. Being trained in what I feel is that this year has been asking us, ‘Do you really believe in yourself?’ Do you are you really willing to listen to your own inner knowing? Is this really what you want? Persistence, resilience, all those things, and especially this, just make it through, but stay loyal to yourself and remember who you are, and it is going to be challenging and it will take longer than you think it will take but just stay true to yourself and it will make sense. It will make sense very soon.

Speaker 1 (10:00)

It will make sense. Did you find that the journaling helped you to keep faith and clarity by just mapping out? Mean, what did you do in the journaling? Did you map out this is where I wanted to be? Were you reflecting on things in a bit less of a this is what happened today sort of way? What were you doing and all that?

Speaker 2 (10:02)

Yeah.

Okay, so how I see it is that every single human being comes to this world with a unique set of inner colours, and those inner colours describe your essence, everything that you are when you don't have to be anyone or anything. It's usually really just a list of between three and 10 words. And we're here to connect with those inner colours and to paint on the canvas called life. And it's not a paint-by-number thing, but it's like, what do you want to paint? What is your own version of success? So when I journal, I have three columns in my journal.

The first one is for the date. The second one is for what happened today, both the triggers, but also all the beautiful coincidences that just happened. And I can't describe them, but they happened. And then the third one is for connecting whatever happened with my inner colours. So maybe sometimes it touches just one, or maybe sometimes it touches the whole list of inner colours. But that's how I see, especially when triggering moments come up.

Usually, there's like a pattern. So I notice, okay, I haven't, I have been saying yes when I want to say no, or I've just been leaning too much into people pleasing. I'm not setting boundaries. I don't believe in myself. I'm not protecting this under colour of mine. So I just document that, and I recognise the pattern, and then I know what I have to change. So when I see, okay, I'm not saying no, then I'm aware of that.

And whenever something comes up, know, okay, now this is a test. This is asking me to say no. So I just say no. And then we take different decisions. We get different results. And that's how journaling has helped me so much to connect the dots. Also, to realise that really everything is always happening for you. Also, the setbacks, they're just asking you, hey, can you step up for you in a colourist? Can you be true to yourself? And always remember that list and double check every single decision that I take, is that, like, am I choosing that from my ego or from a wound or is my essence speaking here? Are my inner colours speaking here?

Speaker 1 (12:11)

Do you find that sometimes the experiences that look like setbacks are getting us actually back on track to where we should be, and they are telling us, You really want to do this? No, but this option is better. Do you think that happens?

Speaker 2 (12:28)

Yes, definitely. I realised that when I went running, there was a sometime like that I had a cold for two weeks, and I was so sad about it because I was not running, and then I had to start slow again. But then once I was back, I noticed that I got faster, and I thought, How is that possible when I was actually taking a break?

And then I transferred that back to life. And I think it's the same thing when setbacks happen, we see it as a setback, but actually, it's also speeding up things. Those setbacks are asking you as well. Okay. Where in your life haven't you been true to yourself? Where in your life are you pretending to be something or pretending to want something, but what is it that you actually want? So I would definitely say the setbacks, they are not setbacks, they're trampolines, but we have to be willing to transform them.

Speaker 1 (13:19)

The obstacles are trampolines. Now, I do want to give the audience more context because, as important as it is to focus on your journaling and your writing, I also want the listeners to find out who you are. Where did you come from? So let's get some background for a second, just so they can get more familiar with you.

Speaker 2 (13:21)

Yes.

Speaker 1 (13:47)

Where did you grow up? What work did you do before you were focusing on coaching and writing? Let us know a bit more about your story.

Speaker 2 (13:58)

Yeah, of course. So I was born in Germany, in Munich. My dad is Argentinian, my mom is German. So I was always I always had those two cultures on the two mindsets. I was I also had that feeling of never fully belonging. And I think that's important because it comes up throughout my story. And I also think that every challenge that we have or have had since being a child is actually also a key that unlocks something later on in life.

And yeah, I was just choosing the classic corporate career path, completely like an overachiever and everything. And it worked well until 22, and then I got a burnout. And it was, it was really harsh, but I'm actually thankful that it was so harsh because my body wrecked it very strongly. A stone grew in my throat, and I needed surgery to take it out, and it was from the stress. Very early in life, I learned that I can't push no matter what.

I have to listen to myself. We only have this one body, and we have to treat it kindly. As soon as you... I don't know for you, but for me, it just doesn't work. can't do something that I'm not convinced of or it's something that I can't force myself for a long time to do something that I don't want to do because my body is going to react somehow. And I just don't want to risk that anymore.

But it was a turning point. It was very hard because I thought, okay, I always wanted this shiny corporate career. And then like, who am I actually beyond those titles? And what I did was I left my life in Germany behind. I moved to Mexico and started from scratch again. And the first years were that there was a lot of freedom because Mexico was so far away. Nobody even knew those like where I had… where I had studied or the competitions and the certificates and titles. Like nobody cared about that. So it was really good because…

Speaker 1 (15:52)

Certificates and titles, okay, what should we know?

Speaker 2 (15:55)

Okay, so I studied in Scotland and Ireland, but while I was studying, I was already working for startups. I co-authored a book with the leadership consultancy in Germany on women and leadership, interviewing women in leadership positions of the Big Four. I did three TEDx talks. I performed in the European Parliament. I think that was about it. So like tons of tons of those things, and like every single competition I was there.

I think every single opportunity that I could grab, I just wanted it so much. I think that I thought, I think that I thought, I thought if you have the perfect CV, then nothing can happen to you, then you're safe. And then nobody can criticise you, and then you belong. But that just didn't work. And that's actually beautiful because then that pain turned into poetry, literally. And I mean, you never belong because of the title or something. You belong always. But also, it's like people love you, the essence of you. People love your inner colours. And that's what I had to find out.

Speaker 1 (17:05)

This is amazing that you're sharing all that. I didn't realise that you did all these TED Talks and all of this work. And I can't remember which celebrity wished that everybody would make a lot of money to realise that it's not everything. Do you remember who it was?

Speaker 2 (17:23)

Oh, I heard it a little bit. I forgot the name, but I love that quote.

Speaker 1 (17:29)

I remember. I don't want to guess and get it wrong, but I think in a similar way, I mean, I'm not sure if you had a similar experience, but I never got rich doing what I was doing. Seeing all these titles and forms of achievement, I think that what you're describing is very much the sort of experience that I had in similar ways.

And, and sometimes we end up thinking we'll be accepted, we'll be liked, we'll belong, we'll find our social home. We will be, you know, you let achievement be your rock and foundation because surely if we just do these things, then we'll have our people. But it doesn't work that way because there's always another hoop to jump, and also, you are more than what you can do; you're also who you can be. So it's like society has told us there had to be something in the global narrative that convinced people like you and me and others to believe that. Do you think so?

Speaker 2 (18:46)

I think it's that classic definition of success that we never question. And we also don't really take the time to get to know ourselves. We don't really get that time either. It's just so like from kindergarten onwards, it's kindergarten, school, and then university. And there's always something. So we never really, and if at all, we get a sabbatical for one year, but I don't think that's enough. So, I don't think we take the time, and we don't value that. We probably see it as a waste of time if we take too much time journaling or take too much time reflecting.

But we never question if that path that everyone is on to a certain extent, if that's really our path. And it's really hard to quit. And it's also really hard to admit that. I remember when I had all of this shiny success, I felt so empty and so lost. And I was very angry at everything and also at myself. But I thought I had played by the rules, and it had made me sick. So what is this thing called success then? And what does it actually mean to me? And I was very sad also because I had worked so hard to get there, and then to admit that this is not what you wanted, even though you've put so much effort into it. It's hard, and we have to be honest with ourselves and sit with it and say, It's okay. We've outgrown that version of ourselves, and it's okay to. I wouldn't even say to change your mind because you're not changing your mind, you're adjusting, and you're being honest with yourself, and you say, ‘This is no longer aligned. Now I'm going to choose a different path.’

Speaker 1 (20:16)

And we can still achieve. You have been publishing books, and I saw your website. You have coaching. You are achieving something, but you're not just trying to fulfil every requirement that you or anyone would assume might be preferred externally. So it's just redefining achievement to some extent, and so we're not saying just to hide away and don't do anything. But when you say that the old path that looked like success was making you sick, the thing that has startled me in the conversations in the podcast is that you and I, we're not the only ones. And there are others who have become, there are others who have been literally sick or injured or unwell. It's actually physically impacting their health, trying to fit what we think is needed for success. And that's really alarming because how successful are we really if we are becoming so unwell? And did you find that some people look like they are doing fine in that path, and maybe hiding the struggles of it? And then we wonder, let me know if you had this experience of wondering, ‘Why aren't I just keeping up the way everybody else is keeping up?’

Speaker 2 (21:48)

All the time. Sometimes I was just staring at my laptop, crying, thinking, why can I just like not be normal? Why can I not just be like, why can I not, why, why, why am I annoyed by the fluorescent lights? Why do I feel so stuck in an office? Why is everybody okay working from nine to five, and I'm just not okay with that, and it's breaking me, and I don't like it. I'm sure that there are some people who really thrive in the nine-to-five, and that's amazing and that's beautiful.

Success looks so different to everyone, and we should have the chance to decide what it means for you. But there should also be space for everyone who doesn't fit into the normal. And it should be more normal to just listen to yourself. And as you say, it's maybe some people are very good in hiding that, but for how long? you're, it's just scary to think that your body is going to react sooner or later.

It's also a blessing in disguise. I've had that in relationships as well. Once, after a breakup, I was going through so much grief that I developed chronic pain for six months. And I thought that I was going crazy. thought that I literally started looking in search engines, like, is there something like that? Does it exist, or am I just making it up? And there are many examples, actually, of people who just feel a lot and who don't want to just deal with it.

And I think that's beautiful because we can like just as well as we can feel grief or pain or feel so stuck, we can experience the other end of the spectrum as well. can feel so much joy. We can feel so much love. can appreciate so many tiny moments that other people just don't notice or don't want to notice. And maybe that would already change so much if we gave ourselves the permission to truly feel and to not feel ashamed of feeling a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:39)

You feel a lot. I think sometimes that can be incorrectly described these days as oversensitive or I'm just busting myths here. Because when that happens, I think it falls under umbrellas of disorders, things like that, like oversensitive, get some headphones and stop hearing the world, but… and to each their own. But if you feel things a lot as well, the sensitivity, I had no idea that so many things would align before we started this conversation. And I think that when people do feel things a bit more intensely, it's more like, let me know if it's like this for you. It's like you can sense things in general. It's not, it's partly the emotions, but partly you can just see things and join some dots or see the subtle things or something in the background. And we're the storytellers. We are the ones who have more to write about and more to talk about because we're seeing things a bit more. Do you think so?

Speaker 2 (24:46)

Absolutely. Yes. I think we also pick up the energy of other people so quickly, and that there are moods, and that's why it's so important to be aware of it, and also to always ask yourself, okay, is this my doubt or is this from someone else? Is this my anxiety, or did I just pick it up somewhere, and how can I brush it off? And I remember my mom once sent me an article that was already, I think, 10 years ago or something. And she was like, ‘Look, there's an article on highly sensitive people.’ I think that's what the official title is, right? And that was the first time that I heard about it. And I saw myself in the article, and I was like, wait, so not everybody perceives the world like that. How do other people live? Are they prophets? So for me, it wasn't like, you're diagnosed with being highly sensitive. It's just like, why don't other people perceive the world like this?

Speaker 1 (25:33)

It's, I'm glad we can all gather as the ones who are different because I wanted to say if anyone is listening and doesn't feel that way, doesn't feel oversensitive, that's fine. But we're all a type of different, at least in some moment, hopefully, where we wonder, is everybody else not feeling this way as well? So I think that's really crucial because it could be any sort of feeling, like I'm noticing something isn't quite right at work, and I feel nervous about speaking up. Or it could be, hold on, I want to ask more questions about something because I feel a bit curious about whether this is the whole truth or whether there are other options to choose from in a decision. And we end up wondering, is everybody else just not asking those questions or digging deeper? So it's really empowering to know it's okay to be sensing things, asking things. It's okay. And there will be someone else out there. Keep in mind listeners that, Arianne, so you're in Mexico now.

Speaker 2 (26:50)

Actually in Baltimore, but I'm based in Mexico.

Speaker 1 (26:53)

Amazing. So that's where you are, and I'm in Australia. And so you'll find your people somewhere.

Speaker 2 (27:00)

Yes, yes, no matter the time zone, you find your people. It's now 5.44. But it's also yesterday for you. So you're in the future. From my perspective.

Speaker 1 (27:06)

What time is it over there?

Okay, you chose okay because I'm in it.

Speaker 2 (27:21)

Thanks for letting me know.

Speaker 1 (27:23)

Are you in the AM or the PM?

Speaker 2 (27:25)

PM.

Speaker 1 (27:27)

Okay. So, so you're in dinner time yesterday.

Speaker 2 (27:32)

Yes, it's Monday afternoon and it's Tuesday morning for you.

Speaker 1 (27:40)

And you can still find your people even if they are having dinner when you are having breakfast.

Speaker 2 (27:46)

Yes, but isn't that just the perfect example that it doesn't matter if you're having dinner or breakfast, it doesn't matter in which time zone you are. It's just like everyone is in their own world, but then we come together and share our world, and we learn from one another. So also when someone who maybe doesn't feel so much comes together with someone who feels a lot, then we can learn from one another. And sometimes it also happens because you feel so much and because you're so open about it. Somebody else has a click moment and says, I'm actually also feeling that, but I never gave myself permission to think about that. I just brushed it off. So I think because maybe you know that moment when you feel, I can't say that. This is too straightforward. This is too honest. But isn't it a gift to be honest and to show your most honest self to someone else and always communicate with kindness? It's not to say, like, be straightforward and hurt someone else, but just

Tell your truth and don't pretend to be someone that you're not, but just be you and let people love you the way that you are.

Speaker 1 (28:50)

If they really do, then that is amazing. I think you are a step ahead of me because I'm still letting myself be a little bit more authentic out in the world. But what I hope we can both encourage everybody else with is that someone out there might have not yet had the journey of losing something and journaling, and they might then embark on a journey like yours.

Let's hope they can be reassured even before they start that because we remember that that pain of... Okay, we remember that pain of realizing we are in the wrong place and the discomfort of knowing you are meant to, you are destined to be somewhere else.

If we can reassure the people who are in that place right now of knowing they are destined to be somewhere else, then they can find us, they can find other people as well. And so it's just reassuring that it will be okay. Taking the leap. Did you have that feeling of you're taking a leap? You needed to trust that things will be okay.

Speaker 2 (30:12)

So many times, I don't want to sound discouraging, but I think it happens more often than we want to. But it gets easier because then you start trusting yourself. That is something that I still need to learn to trust myself. Sometimes I just know, but then my mind gets too loud and it's just ripping apart my own trust. And I'm still learning that to trust myself. So, but every time you do and every time that you take a decision that just feels so right. Everything is going to be okay. Maybe not as fast as you wish, but it will be okay.

Speaker 1 (30:45)

It will be okay. And if you are still reassuring yourself, then what we can learn from that is it's a journey, not a destination, because you've done so much, and you build your personal brand, and you are still on that journey of trusting yourself and trusting your fate. So it's okay to have those moments, even when we are halfway through the journey.

Speaker 2 (31:07)

You're never fully there, I think. And that's also beautiful because you just get to know yourself better and better and better. So yeah, I think we really have to be okay with not always knowing everything, but be open enough to pick up the beautiful moments and to appreciate the beautiful coincidences and to see all the love and not always focus on what's going wrong, but also focus on everything that's going so right.

Speaker 1 (31:30)

Yes. I'm so keen in our final five or 10 minutes, I'm keen to ask for those who are thinking about writing a book, publishing a book, what words of wisdom do you have for getting started with that?

Speaker 2 (31:46)

So I think what it is all about is that you turn from a writer and someone who loves words to an author. And that feels so scary in the beginning. The difference is that when you write, you just write for yourself. But then, when you publish something, just saying that, like, I just wrote a book, and now you can read that book, and now somebody can read something that feels so personal to me. That's scary in the beginning, but it's beautiful. So know that.

Speaker 1 (31:57)

What's the difference?

Speaker 2 (32:16)

When you have this call that you want to write a book, this is your journey as well. This is not only something like a few words turning into a book, but this is also you turning into another version of you, which is the author version of you. And how I see art is that it doesn't belong to you. It's the same with songs, for example. Everybody has a different story with around the same song, right?

So you write something and then you give it to the world, and it's no longer yours, and that's beautiful because then it belongs to everyone who reads your book, and that's the purpose of your book. So it's your journey, it's the book's journey, it's the reader's journey, it's a lot of journeys coming together, and I think that's so beautiful, and that's encouragement and inspiration, and just keep creating, keep writing. Don't fall too much into the doubts. There are people out there who need to read your book and who are waiting for your book without knowing that they're waiting for the book. ⁓ And keep writing and don't be too harsh with yourself. I started getting into the habit of just writing a thousand words every day. And a thousand is just enough to just write and not be too critical. even if I don't know what I'm going to write about, just type and type and type and type until hitting a thousand. Usually after 200 words, gets easier anyways. But it's, you're showing yourself that there's always something to write about. You're showing yourself that you can do it, and it doesn't have to be perfect, and you can edit it later, but just dive into the world of words and just keep writing and keep creating and bit by bit, every single page builds.

Speaker 1 (33:58)

Do anything, create anything and you can refine it later but don't wait for perfection before you start.

Speaker 2 (34:05)

Definitely. And then also let it go. Because if I now read my book, I would be the one correcting it. So let it go. It's like a picture that you take of a certain moment, and the book is the same. You take, it's like you freeze a chapter of your life in that book. So don't go over it too many times, don't edit, and don't be too harsh on yourself.

Speaker 1 (34:29)

Goodness. That is golden. We are learning so much. I feel like you've framed precisely how to just let a book get out into the world. Because some of us keep thinking, there's another experience that's needed to add to it. There's another thing, but no, it's a snapshot in time, and you can always do another book later. It's okay. In the last

Speaker 2 (34:53)

Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:55)

Few minutes, are there any other words of wisdom? And I love to do threes. Three is a great number. Do you have three pieces of wisdom to share with everybody that everybody should universally follow?

Speaker 2 (35:13)

That's a great question. First is keep creating. Second one is everything happens for you. And the third one is actually a journaling question, of course. If everything is possible, how is it? And intentionally I asked, ‘How is it not how would it be?’ And allow yourself to write about it. Like, how is it if everything is possible? And knowing that everything is possible, just write about it.

Don't think about is that possible or how am I going to pay for that? Just let like put take money out of the equation just for a moment. Just to let your heart speak and to realise this is what I actually want and this is what I dream of and wish for, and I'm just going to keep creating until I get there, no matter how long it takes.

Speaker 1 (35:58)

Amazing. Ariane, thank you so much for talking.

Speaker 2 (36:02)

Thank you so much. Love your conversation so much, and I'm so glad that it happened.

Speaker 1 (36:09)

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This was a lovely conversation, and I appreciate the talk so much. Appreciate your work so much. It has been a real gift to have you on the show.

Speaker 2 (36:21)

Thank you. Thank you for all you do and for all you create. And I don't know if you're thinking about writing a book, but keep writing, you too. And thank you for the podcast, and just a huge thank you for connecting and co-creating.

Speaker 1 (36:31)

Anytime.